Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Do you know Square Root

Leibniz , a German mathematician stated that

SQRT(1 + SQRT(-3)) + SQRT(1 - SQRT(-3)) = SQRT(6)

What do you think ?

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Blogger Chris said...

As long as it's understood that the principal values of sqrt are implied, then Leibinz was right.

August 18, 2009 10:12 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

That the principal value is being used is implicit in the expression.

August 18, 2009 10:24 AM  
Anonymous tha b:.:H said...

super duper!

square that whole thing and do binomial playaround =)

August 18, 2009 3:35 PM  
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August 18, 2009 4:12 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

You should have actually tried it - you wouldn't have found anything to apply the binomial theorem to (except for the pure heck of it).

Also squaring is dodgy, you turn -'s into +'s.

e.g. 1 = -1 because (1)^2 = (-1)^2, I don't think so.

August 18, 2009 4:19 PM  
Anonymous tha b::H said...

well, i DID try, thought it wasnt worth to post after what we discussed here... also the only thing with squaring is your double solution... 1^2=(-1)^2 => 1=+-(-1)
and thats correct

sqrt(x)=s(x)

s(1-s(-3))+s(1+s(-3)) |square
(1-i*s(3))+2*s(1-i*s(3))*s(1+i*s(3))+(1+i*s(3)) |i*s(3) cancel once
2+2*s[(1-i*s(3))*(1+i*s(3))] |(a-b)(a+b)=a^2-b^2
2+2*s(1^2-3*i^2) | i^2=-1
2+2*s(1+3)=2+2*s(4)=2+4=6
take root -> =+-s(6)

August 18, 2009 5:04 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

You didn't use the binomial theorem, you used the "difference of two squares (identity)".

I didn't check it by squaring, but I accept that your method is valid despite the general warning. I can be quite a pedant (as you've probably noticed).

August 18, 2009 5:34 PM  
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August 18, 2009 5:58 PM  
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August 18, 2009 6:00 PM  
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August 18, 2009 6:01 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

Because Leibniz explicitly distinguish between +/- Sqrt(3) and
because I suspect that he would have used the square root symbol, I
took it that principal values were to be assumed throughout.
Although implicit, this is the standard convention and a
mathematician would be expected to assume it.

Using s(x) to mean the principal value => s(-3) = i*s(3) etc.
s(1 + i*s(3)) = s(e^(i*pi/3)) = 2*e^(i*pi/6)
Similarly get 2*e^(-i*pi/6) for the other term.
NB in above only principal values are taken. I've omitted the other values.

Using Euler's identity, e^(i*x) = cos(x) + i*sin(x) we obtain
the whole sum = 4*cos(pi/6) = s(6)

August 18, 2009 6:48 PM  
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August 19, 2009 4:27 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

If I had actually being processing a similar expression for real, I would have said that Sqrt(6) was ONE of the values of the original expression.

August 19, 2009 4:35 AM  

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