What does this means ?
Sherlock Holmes when trying to solve a mystery says the following:
"There is nothing in which deduction is so necessary as in religion," said he, leaning with his back against the shutters. "It can be built up as an exact science by the reasoner. Our highest assurance of the goodness of Providence seems to me to rest in the flowers. All other things, our powers, our desires, our food, are all really necessary for our existence in the first instance. But this rose is an extra. Its smell and its color are an embellishment of life, not a condition of it. It is only goodness which gives extras, and so I say again that we have much to hope from the flowers."
Till today, I am not able to comprehend this. Can You ?
"There is nothing in which deduction is so necessary as in religion," said he, leaning with his back against the shutters. "It can be built up as an exact science by the reasoner. Our highest assurance of the goodness of Providence seems to me to rest in the flowers. All other things, our powers, our desires, our food, are all really necessary for our existence in the first instance. But this rose is an extra. Its smell and its color are an embellishment of life, not a condition of it. It is only goodness which gives extras, and so I say again that we have much to hope from the flowers."
Till today, I am not able to comprehend this. Can You ?
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posted by Rajesh Lal at
12:24 PM
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Religion is unnecessary.
They're lain upon you when you die...
ok translate...
Religion is what takes the most Deduction (thinking about* but not somthing thats easy to comprehend, its more like you have to dig deeper to get) to understand
its not hard to compleatly be sure there is a god!
i think the best example is the flower
everything else in the world our powers, our desires, our food, they are necesities...
but the flower...
its only perpose is to embelish on life...
to make life a little better, but by not really changing anything...
thats why there is a god...
be cause only a god of Goodness would give us somthing extra...
the flowers can garentee god...
those are some flowers...
potter says- i am buddhist, therefore i do not believe in god, but anyway...
i think it means that life is like a garden, full of flowers ready to pick. there are blossoms which bring food, some water, some shelter, and all the neccesities of life. yet there is religion. this one thing which is so prevalent, so many people have died for; faith truly is a moving emotion. this one rose sits awaiting our plucking... just the fact that it is there is a wonder, proving (in theory) that there is a god.
I find religion to be completely unneccesary
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Holmes seems to be saying that roses are unnecessary but they exist, so if god also seems unnecessary he must therefore exist as well. That seems to imply that anything unnecessary (such as a human appendix) is a proof of god's existence, which is absurd.
In any case, what is the proof that roses are unnecessary? Don't they play a part in honey production?
Chris
This is nice, to see so many logical people thinking outside the box.
Seems lots of religious people today go on Faith alone, but Holmes, having a scientific mind wants to intellectually deduce the existence of God. Religion and Science are not necessarily in opposition.
Many scientists were devoutly spiritual, even living as monks. Einstein's greatest and unfulfilled quest for the Unified Field was ultimately a quest for God.
Whatever you want to call it, Will of God - Natural Law, there is Intelligence inherent in every structure and activity in the Universe. Science looks to find the source of life in every discipline. Religion seeks to 'bind back' the Human mind to directly experience the Cosmic mind.
What about a Science of Creative Intelligence to simply and systematically experience this Source of beauty of all things, Sherlock Holmes' rose?
I really hope this is a puzzle and not some religious statement, but if it's a puzzle I haven't been able to figure it out.
If it's religious, I fail to understand what the ramblings of a fictional character have to do with reality. I also fail to see why a philosophical question is posed on a puzzle site.
Deduction is necessary in religion? There is no evidence so what is one to deduce?
Religion can be built up as an exact science? Science requires evidence, testable hypotheses, and falsifyable theories. As none of these are available in religion, how can science be applied to the existence of god any more than it can be applied to the existence of fairies or unicorns?
The paragraph seems to be saying roses, and flowers in general, are good. Yes they are nice. So?
To Joshua: Many scientists are devoutly spiritual? There are no credible studies that support this statement. Almost all scientists are not spiritual, and certainly not "devoutly spiritual". The most you can say with any accuracy is that a "few" are spiritual.
Einstein was decidedly non-religious in the sense you are using it. He was very clear in his writings that he did not believe in a personal god (one that intervenes in daily affairs). He used the word god in a strictly poetic sense, ie, a synonym for "nature", in much the same way Carl Sagan used it. Sagan remarked about this definition of god: "it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."
"There is intelligence inherent in every...activity in the universe"? There are innumerable cases where this is not true. "Cosmic mind"? Gibberish.
John 3:16
Romans 10:9-10
those are probably the most illogical things known to man. but they are what bring life, and i challange any scientist to read the gospels, wanting to recieve, and gain nothing.
I read, wanting to receive knowledge, and received none. Of course, I didn't really expect to receive important knowledge or revelation from a storybook. There are some cool passages in Harry Potter also, but that doesn't make it true, or informative about the real world.
These passages are only meaningful to you because you already believe the book is true. Since most scientists do not believe the book is inherently true, how is there anything to gain from reading any of it?
I gained the knowledge that the god described in the story is so cruel that he tortured his only son, and the billions of people that have lived never hearing this story will not be saved (and later in the story it describes how they'll be tortured forever instead).
I don't see how I could possibly worship a god that could be so cruel, even if there were some evidence that the story were true (of which there is none).
He is saying that everyone can analyze it and come up with something different, but religion, while not necessary for our survival, makes our lives richer.
I agree with Joshua, everything up to, "Religion seeks to 'bind back'", but thats probably just because I don't understand what he's saying there. A science of Creative Intelligence makes alot of sense to me. Or mabey a study of Creative Intelligence if you don't want to call it an exact science.
Life is but a vapour...... we have everything neccessary to live onthis earth.... however.. our blessings from God come in little packages.... could be the very exsistance of a amazing rosse you found.....the first time you kiss you baby.... that first little kiss from your spouse...a smile from a child... blessings are found in lil places.... but what HUGE blessings we have... God first... everything else... comes after that.
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